360 Elite

Now, I know that I said that I hated the 360 but.... I got one... You know, I saw all the new games that are comin out for it and I was like... Well, now what am I supposed to do, so I gave in and finally bought one.. But at least I didnt jsut get a normal one, and upped it to an elite =D which is what I said I would get if I ever got one, and I made sure to get gears of war xD. I also got assassins, but me and my bro been playin gears of war for quite a bit now... But I would really like to play with anyone here who has live? =D

I dooo! And um...I can rent assassin's creed, but it doesn't have Live does it?

nope, all the other 3 do though, gears of war, forza 2 and ultimate alliance

I HAVE FORZA 2!

call of duty 4 is a really good onliner game... if you can put up with under age kids you get occasionally. they need a program to ensure that under aged kids cant play the games online they are a real pain

but come to think of it you'll have to put up with them on any game

how old are you putting the age for 'under-aged'?

like squeaky annoying 5 and 6 year olds xD I know em well DX they can get really annoying online

ah. I'd be like "If you're referring to people not yet 18, I'd knock ya good."


yeah, I know how it is...my cousin's 10 and I wouldn;t let him use the mic.

as in under the age of the game your playing for example a rate 15 game or mature being played by a 13 year old. they are rated for a reason. so that mommy's lil runt can't play games that are not designed for him

This might be a bit off topic because I have a WII but I know what you mean. It seems like the media always blames the violant videogames and cries about the children. Has anyone concidered how little timmy managed to get his hands on a copy of gears of war? Although... I probably played my first teen rated game at six, Goldeneye 64 baby!

I agree there are immature people out there, but not all of us can't handle a game rated for older than us. I've been playing games rated M and T since I was 5 ><. You can't tell me that at 16, I can't play an 18 rated game.

sorry Paerole i f**ked up trying to quote you. your gonna have to repost what you said here - kaiskune

I hear ya, I'm pretty much in the same position. What I don't get is why it suddenly becomes such a huge deal right oh... ARROUND ELECTION TIME! It's just another hot button issue. Anyone else remember when comics and TV were going to turn all children into hooligans? It's all spectacle for over strict parents and peevish voters (like that old man at the end of my street that hates children).

TO quote Scott Adams (the writer of the dilbert comics): "In the future we will realize that we must raise the age of adulthood past 18 because the people just above 18 are clearly no more responcible than those just below. This will carry on untill legal ages reach 100. This will have no actual effect on the ammount of underage drinking and sex actualy going on."

although i can tell non of you got anything out of playing 15-18 rated games under age i knew alot of gangster wannabes that thought they were real gang memebrs because of one particular game, i remember one person who murderd his brother with a chainsaw after playing gears of war aged 12 thinking he would reappear in his bed room after a few seconds. i know 2 who stole a car thinking they could out run cops and if they crashed, turn up at a hospital a few hours later... they are both currently a pile of ashes somewhere

they are there for a reason. while not everyone is gonna think that running round stabbing people on a game is real there are some dumb brats in life that will get that impressionable.

most horror games are high age rated because the producers dont want mothers phoning up helplines screaming over how (insert scary game here) had given their little baby nightmares and that they are gonna sue the producers over it

in a poll i asked in several games... its the underaged kids what give the american gamers a bad name in opinion of the british and vice versa... the only times i have had to put up with abusive players at the end was when that little squeaky voice raised while the rest of his team that were actually old enough told him/her/it (hard to tell with runts) to shut up

underaged kids will get on games that arnt for them. i cant really care less along as they stay out of my matches or i know they are mature enough to not revert to hurling obscene insults at the opposite team for slaughtering them (it happens all the time)

i admit i do have a bias being over the age limit but i do see the pros and Cons of the rating system. and so far from what ive seen it needs to be enforced a lot more than it currently is.

its easy to think your own position in this arguement whether your either over or under the limit presented. but alot fail to see what the other side feels about the mater

so lets have a little brain storm, bullet point your position in this arguement over... lets say a rate 18 game to reasons why they want it either removed or maintained at that age rate
^ i want to play people who play the game without taking it too seriously then revert to standbying in order to win
^ i'd rather lose with dignity and say "that was a great game... care for a rematch?" over listening to some kid scream how they f**ked every person on the opposite teams mothers despite they have no idea what they are talking about
^most of 18+ dont revert to gamer slang over a victory so you dont hear "OMG YOU GoT PWNED!!!!!1111"
^if its rated 18 then i want to play 18+ aged players

that finaly point you get with every age rate. 12+ dont want 8 year olds playing that game, 15+ dont want under aged kids in their games so why should 18+ the most violent, scary out or downright sick games be any execption?

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TO quote Scott Adams (the writer of the dilbert comics): "In the future we will realize that we must raise the age of adulthood past 18 because the people just above 18 are clearly no more responcible than those just below. This will carry on untill legal ages reach 100. This will have no actual effect on the ammount of underage drinking and sex actualy going on."

i fail to agree with that ive found that apart from the usual suspects alot of 18 year old are more responcible than their own parents

I enver said I didn't consider your opinion. I meant that the way you phrased it sounded like you were talking about ALL underaged kids.


and personally, I've seen a LOT of 18+ people less mature than my cousin. he's 10. And a much better sport at adult games than most of the other people I play against on Live. I've played so many Halo 3 games against older people who said exactly what you just said under aged people do. Point is, maturity is overrated. No matter what age you are, there's gonna be a huge amount of people who don'rt belong in that age group.

as a reply to Kaiskune, well a lot of what you say is very ageist in my opinion. I mean, I know what you are saying, and I know that there are very many kids that can't handle the games and shouldn't be allowed to play them, and I also know that there are a great number of them.. And yes, I have heard a lot of the consequences that have happened, in the most severe cases, but it isn't fair to say that at all. For as many kids there are that can't handle the subject matter there could easily be the same number of kids that could handle it. And also, a survery on the topic would be quite biased and also unfair, because of ageist stereotypes that are talked about everywhere by everyone, and the media pushing those stereotypes even further. People as much as they don't like to admit it, are influenced by these stereotypes, and so when they are asked something like 'what age players are ruining online gaming?' or something similar to that, all the things that hey have heard will further push them to say that it is the kids (even if it is in some cases). But I know, that when I have been online, I have had many many many more bad experience with older gamers than kids, and it is very unfair to say that all kids can't play a game, just because some of them can't handle it.. Now I know obviously the people at the store can't really tell which kids are mentally capable to handle the subject matter in a game and which ones aren't, but thats when it comes down to being the parents jurisdiction, the parents should be able to raise their kids the way they see fit. And I also know that some parents just dont give a care and will get it for their kids anyway, but after filtering it down through that process there will be much less kids that can't handle the subject matter, than kids that can. And the propositions by the governments to take that right away from parents is utterly rediculous. You might as well make all kids ward of the state if you are going to do that.

Well said bro.

P.S. I don't have what I posted saved anywhere DX. And I really don't wanna type the whole thing out again xD. Oh well, my opinion is summed up again in that post up there

agest steriotyping huh?... so i asked 30 people from each age rateing the question

"who do you not like to play against? and who do you prefer to play against"

as you can see i never said "what age group"

would you believe me that even the 12+ age group brits all said amercians of the same age under the major reasons of abusive, cheating and rude and prefered to play their own. the american 12+s all said Brits because most ban them from servers the second they find out they're US but they want to play with other countries (that could just mean most kids in the uk are uptight)

15+ on both sides said they prefered to play older players as they were could play more hardcore , matches however due to the reputaion of under ageds kids most olders bann them anyway

and yes i have had older players who are just as childish, i have 2 on my team but when ive played they are few and far between and can usually be calmed with a can of beer or 2. but never in my life have i been annoyed to the point of banning a player as i have with some under aged players

and like i said i do have a bias against under aged players. if you want to play a game rated older than you then fine. but act like a damn adult if your gonna play a adult game. if your gonna be a d**k then ban goes the server and down goes your rep. although i dont sound it i do give all players a chance to prove them selves as good and fair players no matter the age. there are some good players out there but they lose out because people instantly think "under aged player... get rid of him/her before we start playing"

and i know there are a lot of underaged player who are biased against of-age players because they feel we think we are superior to them which we dont (well some do but the are the "i have no social life... i just pay on the 360 all day long" type)

but if your want to bitch about your nanny state government. dont complain to me about it. yours is not the only country with that problem

plus its not the government that decide what games are what age rate and such. they are rated by a board of people... parents teachers and whatever else. the government can't turn the to microsoft and say "we want less under aged players! ban them from the games!"

you realy didnt think old bush sat in his shiny lil office playing games and deciding what to rate them did you? (bad sarcasm i know)

but in the end even if you complain about age rating its not gonna change. games and movies are still gonna come out rated unsuitable for people under (insert age)

so i probably am ageist but what ive seen online id be a fool not to be

(and for the record... my parents where strict ass b**tards i never got to play a 15+ game until i was 15 and that same with 18+ games hence i dont know whats its like to be a underaged player but if they are like what ive seen im glad i never did)

I ask one thing: Look at your post, and correct the many grammar and spelling errors before I read that again. Half of that made no sense.

Well to clear on thing up FIRST OF ALL... I am Canadian, and proud of it!

Second of all, why are you trying to insult me? "you realy didnt think old bush sat in his shiny lil office playing games and deciding what to rate them did you? ".. That's like saying I'm a moron, and all because I have a different opinion than you?.

Also, I have a much different online experience than you then, because the number of players that are of age that have been bastards online greatly outnumber the underage annoying players, in my own personal experience anyway.

And, how did you conduct this survey? What were all the groups included? Where was the survey taken? Was it a verbal survey, did you know the ages of the participants for sure, was there any verification?

Again, if there had been more people surveyed the numbers would have changed significantly, because any survey no matter what the numbers, can never be a definite accurate representation of the general opinions because you aren't necessarily going to get people with opposing views, and I can guarantee there are A LOT out there, in fact I would say that probably people that are for and against are a 50-50 split. And again, there is way too much of an obvious difference, especially on who supports which side of the argument for it to be measured like this.

And having the stereotype perpetuated for young players being annoying, then psychologically isn't it a possibility that you would give a lot more leighway to the older players, who you generally have no quarrel with, I mean even the annoying ones would have more of an opportunity. Than if you have a kid that might start to do something. I mean, this might not be the case, but speaking from a basic psychological standpoint, you are going to be much more willing to give the older annoying players more slack than the younger ones, especially just after admitting you have a bias against the younger players.

Also, you are arguing two different things and kinda mixing them into one, you are saying that young kids are annoying online (which I have experienced, and will agree with a lot of the time, but there are definitely ones that aren't) but you are mixing that with ratings and wether they should be allowed and. You are saying that ratings should be enforced because you are being annoyed by younger players, and then adding in about how they aren't mentally capable to handle the subject matter of some of the games. Although I think personally that there should be age limits, I don't think they should be strictly enforced they should be more of a guideline, I also think that they are too high. What says that one 16 year old isn't going to be able to handle the game content just as well as a 17 year old one year higher than him?.

And there are A LOT of people not just the no-life gamers that follow that stereotype against younger gamers and instant ban, which is probably why a lot of them are so upset about it. It would be like you joining a forum and acknowledging yourself as a fur, and then getting banned right when you join just because you are a fur.

Also, I am not complaining to you about my government (which you also jumped to conclusions and though I was American), I was just making my opinion on the matter known, I think that it is wrong that they are trying to revoke parents rights, obviously fallen on def ears. But the people who want to hear it will have heard it and thats all that matters.

And I am well aware of how the ESRB works, I have been a gamer for a hell of a long time, and I have done projects on the very topic that we are debating, so I have done my research, I'm just again stating my opinion and that is that I disagree with the way it works and is enforced and the way it is run in general.

And again, I realize that my opinions are not going to change anything, but that is all that they are, opinions that I am making known as are you, so it's kind of pointless and unnecessary to insult me about it.

Ohh, also, just an added note, the age to buy M rated games is 17. So I am above the cut, and that is still my opinion.

*cracks whip*
YO! both of you calm down NOW!
kais not all under aged gamers are horrid, dont like the hype? deal with it! there will always be overreactive parents and kids blaming there problems on games, and i DARE you to use the word "runt" again! its offencive as hell!

and pae, kais is intitled to an opinion, but dont put it deep into mind. dont get offended as me!

now this is causing distress among the site, both of you calm down or this topic WILL be locked or deleted!

fair warning!

Ok, you have GOT to be joking me...
Lig, I'm begging you, I know Kiru is your friend and all, but something must be done about this.

That's not fair... We are just talking about or opinions on online gaming. I am not offended at all by Kai's opinions, and I have taken no offense, and I am not mad or anything, it's just a debate, and this is the thread to do it in DX.

That's what a forum is for, expressing your opinions and talking to people >.<.